"I should clarify - the chaos was of course having 3 people called Ben, not from using fully free software. We've been doing free software audio conferencing for a couple of years now." Sounds like my kind of chaos... we need more Bens. Also it is pretty much expected that free software audio conferencing to work fairly well nowadays, it is one of the more modern era software functions that have been solved fairly comprehensively. -- Sent from my GNU/Linux-Libre box. Run free. http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html Come Visit Free Software Australia - http://freesoftware.org.au/ jabjabs@fastmail.com.au