2010 report on OSS use around the world
Hi guys, I think you might be interested to get a perspective on the degree of use of OSS around the world, at least the way it looks like from Spain. http://observatorio.cenatic.es/images/stories/estudios_e_informes/empresas/i... "The United States, Australia and the Western European countries lead the development and adoption of open source software." "In the public sector, Europe has experienced greater penetration." "In the Pacific region, Australia stands out as one of the countries with the highest degree of open source software adoption in the world, thanks to its active communities of OSS developers who participate in international projects. The universities also play a very important role in both training qualified ICT personnel and participating in OSS projects. The Australian business sector spends a significant part of its R&D budget on OSS projects, which results in the country having a large subsector of open source software companies within the ICT sector and in the presence of OSS centres of excellence in the country. This is accompanied by a policy of support by the government, which has encouraged the adoption of OSS by the Public Sector." What? To me, it doesn't feel quite right, but maybe my "basement" is deep enough to "shield" me from the marvellous extent of OSS in the Australian public sector? Any additional info you may have specifically on this? The links at page 98 look rather old, are these policies and guides still actual for the public sector ? Regards, Adrian
The universities also play a very important role in both training qualified ICT personnel and participating in OSS projects. I found this statement surprising. I studied at a Melbourne university, and when I spoke to lecturers of FOSS, one lecturer even went so far as to call
Interesting indeed. those people "crazy.. and will do themselves out of a job". The IT department was run almost exclusively by Solaris. The programming language taught was mostly Java - one of the most free-software-unfriendly programming languages at the time. It was also basically impossible to study without a Windows license due to the abundance of assignments handed out exclusively in MS Word format. Only a single lecturer actually expressed any interest in free software, which was a man who taught the subject "Linux System Administration"[sic]. If this statement is to be believed, either things have changed a lot recently, or other universities take [F]OSS much more seriously than the one I went to did. I don't have any additional information on the Australian public sector's involvement in any FOSS projects. The companies I have worked at were mostly good at making the most of it for internal use, but didn't do anything with it that the public would be aware of. This could be common, I suppose. Regards, Adam On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 11:21:20AM +1100, Adrian Colomitchi wrote:
Hi guys,
I think you might be interested to get a perspective on the degree of use of OSS around the world, at least the way it looks like from Spain.
http://observatorio.cenatic.es/images/stories/estudios_e_informes/empresas/i...
"The United States, Australia and the Western European countries lead the development and adoption of open source software."
"In the public sector, Europe has experienced greater penetration."
"In the Pacific region, Australia stands out as one of the countries with the highest degree of open source software adoption in the world, thanks to its active communities of OSS developers who participate in international projects. The universities also play a very important role in both training qualified ICT personnel and participating in OSS projects. The Australian business sector spends a significant part of its R&D budget on OSS projects, which results in the country having a large subsector of open source software companies within the ICT sector and in the presence of OSS centres of excellence in the country. This is accompanied by a policy of support by the government, which has encouraged the adoption of OSS by the Public Sector."
What? To me, it doesn't feel quite right, but maybe my "basement" is deep enough to "shield" me from the marvellous extent of OSS in the Australian public sector? Any additional info you may have specifically on this? The links at page 98 look rather old, are these policies and guides still actual for the public sector ?
Regards,
Adrian
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On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Adam Bolte <boltronics@gmail.com> wrote:
If this statement is to be believed, either things have changed a lot recently, or other universities take [F]OSS much more seriously than the one I went to did.
Former ANU SWEng student here. The wider university wasn't particularly free software friendly (but not hostile, either), just the usual indifference. (I do remember using scilab in one of my computational courses from the Department of Mathematics, though.) The CSIT labs were all running GNU/Linux (various versions of Kubuntu, mainly). The introductory programming course is currently taught using Haskell on GHC, with Java in later years and an assortment of other languages for particular courses. The friendly neighbourhood admin was (and probably still is) active on the local LUG list. Most assignment work expected that you'd have sufficient access to a GNU/Linux system and the local student society ran installfests. Some of the year-long software engineering projects (I think these were equivalent to Melbourne University's 433-340 and 433-440?) were windows-based, but you could ask to be put on a team that didn't use windows. ANU was also offering a masters-level course COMP8440 - Free and Open Source Software development, and it looks like it will do so next year: http://studyat.anu.edu.au/courses/COMP8440;details.html -- Jack
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 11:21:20AM +1100, Adrian Colomitchi wrote:
Hi guys,
I think you might be interested to get a perspective on the degree of use of OSS around the world, at least the way it looks like from Spain.
http://observatorio.cenatic.es/images/stories/estudios_e_informes/empresas/i...
"The United States, Australia and the Western European countries lead the development and adoption of open source software."
"In the public sector, Europe has experienced greater penetration."
"In the Pacific region, Australia stands out as one of the countries with the highest degree of open source software adoption in the world, thanks to its active communities of OSS developers who participate in international projects. The universities also play a very important role in both training qualified ICT personnel and participating in OSS projects. The Australian business sector spends a significant part of its R&D budget on OSS projects, which results in the country having a large subsector of open source software companies within the ICT sector and in the presence of OSS centres of excellence in the country. This is accompanied by a policy of support by the government, which has encouraged the adoption of OSS by the Public Sector."
What? To me, it doesn't feel quite right, but maybe my "basement" is deep enough to "shield" me from the marvellous extent of OSS in the Australian public sector? Any additional info you may have specifically on this? The links at page 98 look rather old, are these policies and guides still actual for the public sector ?
Regards,
Adrian
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On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 01:12:32PM +1100, Jack Kelly wrote:
Former ANU SWEng student here. The wider university wasn't particularly free software friendly (but not hostile, either), just the usual indifference. After reading about OzLabs (http://ozlabs.org/about.html) some time ago, I got the impression ANU would be a better environment. :)
ANU was also offering a masters-level course COMP8440 - Free and Open Source Software development, and it looks like it will do so next year: http://studyat.anu.edu.au/courses/COMP8440;details.html According to Andrew Tridgell's Wikipedia page, it looks like he has been teaching that specific course since last year. Impressive.
-Adam
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 11:21:20AM +1100, Adrian Colomitchi wrote:
Hi guys,
I think you might be interested to get a perspective on the degree of use of OSS around the world, at least the way it looks like from Spain.
http://observatorio.cenatic.es/images/stories/estudios_e_informes/empresas/i...
"The United States, Australia and the Western European countries lead the development and adoption of open source software."
"In the public sector, Europe has experienced greater penetration."
"In the Pacific region, Australia stands out as one of the countries with the highest degree of open source software adoption in the world, thanks to its active communities of OSS developers who participate in international projects. The universities also play a very important role in both training qualified ICT personnel and participating in OSS projects. The Australian business sector spends a significant part of its R&D budget on OSS projects, which results in the country having a large subsector of open source software companies within the ICT sector and in the presence of OSS centres of excellence in the country. This is accompanied by a policy of support by the government, which has encouraged the adoption of OSS by the Public Sector."
What? To me, it doesn't feel quite right, but maybe my "basement" is deep enough to "shield" me from the marvellous extent of OSS in the Australian public sector? Any additional info you may have specifically on this? The links at page 98 look rather old, are these policies and guides still actual for the public sector ?
Regards,
Adrian
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Absolutely. I studied at the ANU too, and there was a very strong free software culture there. I think it was encouraged by the lecturers - although I can't remember specifics just now. Cheers, Alex
AGIMO (at least) did some interesting work on open source in government but hard to see any practical follow through from it... http://www.finance.gov.au/publications/guide-to-open-source-software/docs/A_... On 22/12/2010 12:39 PM, Adam Bolte wrote:
Interesting indeed.
The universities also play a very important role in both training qualified ICT personnel and participating in OSS projects. I found this statement surprising. I studied at a Melbourne university, and when I spoke to lecturers of FOSS, one lecturer even went so far as to call those people "crazy.. and will do themselves out of a job". The IT department was run almost exclusively by Solaris. The programming language taught was mostly Java - one of the most free-software-unfriendly programming languages at the time. It was also basically impossible to study without a Windows license due to the abundance of assignments handed out exclusively in MS Word format.
Only a single lecturer actually expressed any interest in free software, which was a man who taught the subject "Linux System Administration"[sic].
If this statement is to be believed, either things have changed a lot recently, or other universities take [F]OSS much more seriously than the one I went to did.
I don't have any additional information on the Australian public sector's involvement in any FOSS projects. The companies I have worked at were mostly good at making the most of it for internal use, but didn't do anything with it that the public would be aware of. This could be common, I suppose.
Regards, Adam
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 11:21:20AM +1100, Adrian Colomitchi wrote:
Hi guys,
I think you might be interested to get a perspective on the degree of use of OSS around the world, at least the way it looks like from Spain.
http://observatorio.cenatic.es/images/stories/estudios_e_informes/empresas/i...
"The United States, Australia and the Western European countries lead the development and adoption of open source software."
"In the public sector, Europe has experienced greater penetration."
"In the Pacific region, Australia stands out as one of the countries with the highest degree of open source software adoption in the world, thanks to its active communities of OSS developers who participate in international projects. The universities also play a very important role in both training qualified ICT personnel and participating in OSS projects. The Australian business sector spends a significant part of its R&D budget on OSS projects, which results in the country having a large subsector of open source software companies within the ICT sector and in the presence of OSS centres of excellence in the country. This is accompanied by a policy of support by the government, which has encouraged the adoption of OSS by the Public Sector."
What? To me, it doesn't feel quite right, but maybe my "basement" is deep enough to "shield" me from the marvellous extent of OSS in the Australian public sector? Any additional info you may have specifically on this? The links at page 98 look rather old, are these policies and guides still actual for the public sector ?
Regards,
Adrian
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On 22/12/10 12:39, Adam Bolte wrote:
I found this statement surprising. I studied at a Melbourne university, and when I spoke to lecturers of FOSS, one lecturer even went so far as to call those people "crazy.. and will do themselves out of a job". The IT department was run almost exclusively by Solaris.
FWIW the HPC[0] systems at the University of Melbourne are almost entirely Linux based, with the only exception I'm aware of being the Compute Node Kernel (CNK) in our BlueGene/P at VLSCI (which is released [1] under the IBM CPL[2], OSI approved but not GPL compatible). [0] - High Performance Computing [1] - http://wiki.bg.anl-external.org/index.php/Cnk [2] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Public_License cheers, Chris -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Chris Samuel <chris@csamuel.org> wrote:
On 22/12/10 12:39, Adam Bolte wrote:
I found this statement surprising. I studied at a Melbourne university, and when I spoke to lecturers of FOSS, one lecturer even went so far as to call those people "crazy.. and will do themselves out of a job". The IT department was run almost exclusively by Solaris.
FWIW the HPC[0] systems at the University of Melbourne are almost entirely Linux based, with the only exception I'm aware of being the Compute Node Kernel (CNK) in our BlueGene/P at VLSCI (which is released [1] under the IBM CPL[2], OSI approved but not GPL compatible).
[0] - High Performance Computing [1] - http://wiki.bg.anl-external.org/index.php/Cnk [2] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Public_License
From an academic research perspective - a good thing about the AuScope
Yes and where I currently work at VPAC, we still run most of the systems using FOSS software, largely through the work of people like Chris before he moved to Melb U ;) project I worked on was the government funding agreement did state explicitly that by default, new software produced should be under an open source licence. I guess this fits in well with the idea of a govt-research project producing things that enable society and the economy as a whole. Another good reason one of the academics I worked with was keen on open source is it means their research platform is 'portable' in case they move Universities in the future. -- Pat.
cheers, Chris -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC
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On 23/12/10 17:49, Patrick Sunter wrote:
Yes and where I currently work at VPAC, we still run most of the systems using FOSS software, largely through the work of people like Chris before he moved to Melb U ;)
For a summary of the OS's used on the systems listed on the Top500: http://www.top500.org/stats/list/36/osfam cheers! Chris -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC
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